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This is a place to gain some understanding of dog behavior and to assist people in training their dogs and dealing with common behavior problems, regardless of the method(s) used. This can cover the spectrum from non-aversive to traditional methods of dog training. There are many ways to train a dog. Please avoid aggressive responses, and counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice. Please refrain from submitting posts that promote off-topic discussions. Keep in mind that you may be receiving advice from other dog owners and lovers... not professionals. If you have a major problem, always seek the advice of a trainer or behaviorist!
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NECK BONE Charlie
snakes run for- your lives!SHE- HAS A GUN! |
 | | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 2:24pm PST | |  | |  | | I was given Positive Puppy Training to read before I adopted Charlie and used some of those concepts. there are a LOT of resources out there. |  |  | |  |
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Pugsley
I Might Be Small- But I Have It- All!
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 2:25pm PST | | | | | | I like to watch his show and i have learned somethings that i can use on my dog! Now however if he was to meet me, he would be disappointed! BOL! I treat my dogs like kids... i can not ignore them when i first walk in the door... i love for them to be on my lap and so on an so fourth!
However, just because i dont agree with everything he does, doesn't mean i think he is a con-artist or anything! Like i said, he really has helped me with some cases with our dogs! I just don't think what he does works for everyone... Every dog is different =D | | | | |
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Kitai
Chia Kitai!
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 2:29pm PST | | | | | | When working with animals doesn't there always have to be a leader? In the wild isn't there always a leader? Whether you are talking about wolves, horses, lions or elephants it seems like there is a dominant animal in any pack or herd, and if I look at my interaction with any pack or herd type of animal in that context don't I want to be perceived as the leader?
Anyone here ever owned a parrot before? I have and let me tell you, the psychology of leadership is crucial if you want a bird that will step up on your hand when commanded, not scream it's head off or bite people. In my experience you can't man handle or force a parrot to do anything it doesn't want to do. I see a lot of similarities in how Cesar's calm assertive methods were similar to what I used to tame and hand train the wild caught parrot I rescued dying in a pet shop.
Anyone here ever around horses? Again you have to be viewed as the leader if you want to be able to catch a horse in a field, bridle, saddle, ride and clean them.
I really don't understand the negative impression of we as humans needing to be viewed as the "leader or dominant" being when interacting with dogs or any other type of animal. It's for our own safety as well as their own ticket to a postive future living amongst people.
Or am I just missing something completely? | | | | |
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Alice Rose of Lily MACH7, UDX9
3rd place- finisher at the- AKC NAI! |
| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 2:35pm PST | | | | | | We do not like Cesar one bit. Marlowe summed up our reasons why very well. We do not like his methods nor his attitude towards dogs and behaviors. We also do not like his television show. There are other more useful ways to train dogs than a syndicated tv show. The problem with television is that they cannot show everything he does with a dog, so if a dog is aggressive and Cesar helps the owner with the behaviors, it appears a quick fix, when really there is a lot more to it. I have seen clips of the show and sometimes this is the facade they send.
Oh, and let's not forget he is not a certified behavioralist or APDT trainer, and there are reports he is an illegal immigrant.
Nuff said. | | | | |
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Vance
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 2:53pm PST | | | | | | There's a huge difference between being a leader and constantly dominating your animals. Like I said, many of the things that Cesar is addressing as a dominance problem, are not. They're just symptoms of a general lack of training. And you know, it may be fine. If a dog leaves the house once a year for it's annual vet visit, who cares if he doesn't know how to leashwalk? There is no set of specific rules that make one "dominant."
Things like alpha rolling and walking in front are bullying behaviors. Dogs only put on dominance displays when they've just met and are figuring eachother out. Anything beyond that is somedog being a jerk. Constant acting out is probably because s/he's insecure or was not properly socialized. Furthermore, it causes the other dogs in the pack to have issues because they're being beat up all the time. If a dog is actually knocking others down in an alpha roll-like move, you should seek professional help. Although if you watch closely, they are most likely only placing their paws over the other dogs shoulders, and the other dog is dropping by choice.
And Khola is right... Most people are not looking to other sources. They take Cesar as the gospel truth of all things dog, and some of the results are horrifying.Edited by author Mon Dec 4, '06 2:55pm PST
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Hooch
Beautiful Bully- Boy |
| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 3:00pm PST | | | | | | Not to be rude but...
#1. Yes he WAS an illegal immigrant, he's admitted it in his book. He now has a green card and has applied for citizenship BUT, that's is not the point. It has nothing to do with his dog training or rehabilitating abilities
#2. He has helped a lot of people become better dog owners. As many people have said - take his advice and use it as such. His words are not law. If you are foolish enough to approach a snarling german shephard, rottweiler, pit bull, whatever, and attempt an alpha roll then your issue is not with Cesar.
#3. He has never claimed to be a certified trainer or an educated behaviouralist. He is simply a man who is naturally good with dogs. Not everyone is, not everyone can be...
#4. I'm not trying to start a fight or an arguement, nor am I attempting to defend any of Cesar's methods. I am simple saying that he does have good points, good idea's and is reinforcing the simple points that dogs owners have forgotten somewhere along the way. I just don't feel its fair to attack him the way some people have been. He is out there to help, he does not have malicious intentions... His training methods may not be what you prefer to use, but he does deserve at least a little respect even if its for the fact that he has rescued dogs that were about to be euthanized. | | | | |
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Pugsley
I Might Be Small- But I Have It- All!
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 3:02pm PST | | | [notify] |
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Charlie
Pet a Pit, it's- good for the- soul |
| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 3:27pm PST | | | | | | The way I look at it, if it works for you and your dog is not hurt physically or mentally, then so be it. If you don't like the show, don't watch it. If you like the show, watch it.
I don't agree with ALL the theories of ANY style of dog training. I don't really think that giving a dog a treat to bribe them to do everything is appropriate, but I think that it can work sometimes.
Likewise, I don't always believe in dominating my dogs at every juncture, but if asserting myself works in some instances, I'll do it.
What we need to realize is dogs are dogs. Noone is ever going to know everything there is to know about their behavior and ability to communicate, regardless of how many training sessions or behavioral degrees you have.
But one thing that I think this show and forum are bringing into the light is that people need to learn how to be better dog owners. No dog should be cooped up in a house all day every day. No dog should be banished to the back yard with no socialization.
It does not take a special expert to recognize this, however for some reason many people are not raising their dogs successfully, and maybe now they'll realize even if a show like this is not for them, it's time to step up and take responsibility for your dogs. | | | | |
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Duchess
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 3:30pm PST | | | | | | I don't care for Cesar, and me disliking him has nothing to do with his immigration status. What I DO like is the South Park episode where he uses his pack leader dominance mentality to "train" Cartman!
I've only watched his show a few times but I've seen him practically choking dogs pulling them so hard on their leashes. I am not a trainer, but I know that borders on cruelty.
Didn't he get sued for seriously injuring a client's dog? I mean, didn't the dog have to undergo thousands of dollars worth of surgeries and vet treatment? That wasn't too long ago that it happened; I just didn't follow up on it. Does anyone know what ever came out of that? (I think the owner of the dog said it was injured on a treadmill) | | | | |
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Cosmo
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 3:38pm PST | | | | | | I also dislike the Dog Whisperer and believe that he does a lot of harm. Are you all aware that the American Humane Society had a press release pointing to his inhumane approach?
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=71801 | | | | |
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