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This is a place to gain some understanding of dog behavior and to assist people in training their dogs and dealing with common behavior problems, regardless of the method(s) used. This can cover the spectrum from non-aversive to traditional methods of dog training. There are many ways to train a dog. Please avoid aggressive responses, and counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice. Please refrain from submitting posts that promote off-topic discussions. Keep in mind that you may be receiving advice from other dog owners and lovers... not professionals. If you have a major problem, always seek the advice of a trainer or behaviorist!


Learn from The Dog Whisper

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Kitai

Chia Kitai!
 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 12:21pm PST 
Khola I do agree that one does not excuse the other. I was just trying to make a point that the choking I have seen on his show is really mild compared to what others do and I've never seen a dog injured even at times when I was truly frightened for their health. So I guess I am questioning how much can a dog really be harmed by being lifted off it's front feet for a few seconds. I don't know, by what I've witnessed in the past it seems it would take a lot more then that to injure or even traumatize most dogs.

I also agree that he should step up and dictate what type of collar should be used to use the least amount of force as opposed to letting the client decide what to use. My only thought, and this is a big assumption, is that he want's to use what the dog is familiar with rather then spring a whole new sensation/device on a dog in the limited amount of time he has to work with it? As a trainer I'm sure your observations would be more in tune with what is really happening then my own.
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Charlie

Pet a Pit, it's- good for the- soul		 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 12:51pm PST 
I apologize if my post came across as saying "it's all about money and jealousy", that's not what I was trying to convey. Instead I was trying to impress the importance of being objective in forming opinions about any trainer or their advice. I am also not advocating for this show or style of training.

Just as one probably should not follow every mantra espouted by a specific trainer, one should not take their specific opinion about another professional as set in stone. However the formation of an opinion through dedicated research and the studying of certain techniques, is laudable.

I believed the point of this forum was to stress that the blind following of any training method without further investigation or education as to its theory was unwise. As such the irony became that some people are using ONE trainer's opinion as a basis to refute another's methodology, which is just as unwise.

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Shadow

Why are people- afraid of me?		 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 2:46pm PST 
I like 'Good Dog U' (on Animal Planet) way better. It`s cleaner. They don`t show dogs being too rough like pushing people down, etc.; also, on one episode (of Dog whisperer) they called one dog 'dog from -hword-' I don`t like that, because dogs shouldn`t be judged by their behavior. (like ABPTs and such) Besides, all dogs are from heaven.

Not to say you guys are bad because you like Dog Whisperer. (You`re all good dogs!) The training tips are pretty good.
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Shadow

Why are people- afraid of me?		 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 2:48pm PST 
(I`ve only seen one or two episodes of the Dog whisperer, so bear with me if I didn`t cover a lot of stuff that happens on that show.)
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Pooch ~ I- miss you ~

love forever
 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 3:48pm PST 
There have been studies that have shown that repeated use of a choke collar can cause permanent damage, especially if the dog is actually being partially lifted up off the ground by the collar. Dogs have exhibit trachea, spinal, and other problems/damage from collar use.

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Magnolia,- J.B.O-p.D.M

Stir The Pot to- Prevent- Sticking!		 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 4:42pm PST 
And yet, when used correctly, the slip chains cause no damage whatsoever.
There you have it.
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Marlowe, CGC

BAH-ROO-ROO-ROOO- OO!!!		 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 4:43pm PST 
And you're getting this information from....?
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Khola- CDX, CGC

R plus and- paitence what a- shocking idea		 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 4:52pm PST 
second.
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Magnolia,- J.B.O-p.D.M

Stir The Pot to- Prevent- Sticking!		 
 
Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 5:04pm PST 
were you talking to me?
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Cider RXMCL- AGDC AADC- MSDC MJD

Agility Hound		 
 
Barked: Wed Dec 6, '06 12:23am PST 
Yes.. They were lookign for your sources in chokes being perfectly safe 100% of the time.

Milan is often borderline brutal. The techniques he uses aren't often the techniques being taught to his clientel, or often not in the same fashion. He teaches with fear. That's what most of us strive against.

There was an episode with a GSD pup that was fearful and wanted ot sit under a desk all day. Milan puts a choke on and drags it out, and keeps repeating. Tells the lady see how much easier it is because I show confidence. Lady wasn't taught anything, except how to drag her dog out from under a desk, and later on the dog's got it's tail wedged between it's legs. More fearful than it had been before.

Or the bulldog puppy who 'needed redirection' how did he redirect?, kicked him in the butt. Shows the owners to do it just with a choke, doesn't work so kicks it in the butt again. Then the owners have an aha moment. Oh to teach our dog it needed a butt boot.

He's gettign immediate results at the expense of the dog.
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