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This is a place to gain some understanding of dog behavior and to assist people in training their dogs and dealing with common behavior problems, regardless of the method(s) used. This can cover the spectrum from non-aversive to traditional methods of dog training. There are many ways to train a dog. Please avoid aggressive responses, and counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice. Please refrain from submitting posts that promote off-topic discussions. Keep in mind that you may be receiving advice from other dog owners and lovers... not professionals. If you have a major problem, always seek the advice of a trainer or behaviorist!
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♥ Princess ♥
Small and- Loveable!!!! |
 | | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 6:46am PST | |  | |  | | CEASER ROCKS!!!!!!
My mommy loves him and we watch every show, she has learned alot from him, Love Princess. |  |  | |  |
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Ginger- ♥ my- angel
My Angel
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| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 9:34am PST | | | | | | Him having a big impact on dog owners is what worries me... Some of his methods are harsh and could even be dangerous when used with some dogs. Personally I feel that the best way to train any behavior is the way with the least potential harm/pain/discomfort to the dog (or whatever organism you are training!) and if I can train my dog without them being afraid (of me, of a correction, of being rolled over suddenly, etc) then that's the way I want to train. Cesar is going back to the "old ways" of dog training in many ways, and many trainers have been working for years and years to get away from those older harsher methods. | | | | |
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Cosmo
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| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 10:34am PST | | | | | | Here's what the American Humane Society has to say about the Dog Whisperer:
DENVER, Sept. 6 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The training tactics featured on Cesar Millan's "Dog Whisperer" program are inhumane, outdated and improper, according to a letter sent yesterday to the National Geographic Channel by American Humane, the oldest national organization protecting children and animals.
In the letter, American Humane, which works to raise public awareness about responsible pet ownership and reduce the euthanasia of unwanted pets, expressed dismay over the "numerous inhumane training techniques" advocated by Cesar Millan on "Dog Whisperer."
Several instances of cruel and dangerous treatment - promoted by Millan as acceptable training methods - were documented by American Humane, including one in which a dog was partially asphyxiated in an episode. In this instance, the fractious dog was pinned to the ground by its neck after first being "hung" by a collar incrementally tightened by Millan. Millan's goal - of subduing a fractious animal - was accomplished by partially cutting off the blood supply to its brain.
The letter requests that National Geographic stop airing the program immediately and issue a statement explaining that the tactics featured on the program are inhumane, and it encourages National Geographic to begin developing programming that sets a positive example by featuring proper, humane animal training. In its letter, American Humane said: "We believe that achieving the goal of improving the way people interact with their pets would be far more successful and beneficial for the National Geographic Channel if it ceased sending the contradictory message that violent treatment of animals is acceptable."
"As a forerunner in the movement towards humane dog training, we find the excessively rough handling of animals on the show and inhumane training methods to be potentially harmful for the animals and the people on the show," said the letter's author, Bill Torgerson, DVM, MBA, who is vice president of Animal Protection Services for American Humane. "It also does a disservice to all the show's viewers by espousing an inaccurate message about what constitutes effective training and appropriate treatment of animals."
Torgerson noted that the safety of a woman and her German shepherd were jeopardized in one episode by the use of an electric shock collar, which forced the tormented dog to redirect its aggression at its owner, biting her arm. "Furthermore, the television audience was never told that Mr. Millan was attempting to modify the dog's behavior by causing pain with the shock collar," he said.
For more information about humane training techniques, please visit http://www.americanhumane.org. | | | | |
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Kitai
Chia Kitai!
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| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 10:53am PST | | | | | | I did read this story as soon as it came out as someone posted it here.
Three comments.
1. I hope and think that Cesar does listen to his critics and someday may make adjustments to his training program to make it more acceptable to an even larger audience.
2. The accusation that he hangs dogs and asphyxiates them? I have seen people do far worse to their dogs over and over when they walk their dogs on a prong or slip every time they take them out of their house. They either jerk the dog clear off of it's front feet or it's like the dogs are walking on their two hindlegs as they lunge and choke themselves continually. The few times I have seen Cesar do this on his show it has always been to stop a fight and it is a smooth and quick lift and release. Not like he stands there for minutes on end holding a dog up off of the ground by their neck.
3. The comment about the GSD and the shock collar. Cesar does not choose the training device when it comes to collars, he uses what the owner is comfortable with. Perhaps he should dictate what is and is not appropriate but that's his call. Anyways to accuse him of causing a dog to bite? Seems to me a good number of the dogs he works with have been biting their owners, family, neighbors and friends long before Cesar ever showed up.
The one exception to the type of collar used was when I believe he chose to put a shock collar on the cattle dog that had been run over by it's owner 2 times and lost an eye for chasing the tractor tires on their farm. But that was an extreme case where he felt that the shock collar was needed to save the dogs life before he was run over and killed. It took two small shocks on a low setting and the dog totally lost interest in the tractor. To me that showed the right way to use a shock collar. I did not see the episode with the GSD but I'm sure I will someday. | | | | |
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Khola- CDX, CGC
R plus and- paitence what a- shocking idea |
| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 11:50am PST | | | | | | about the refute on the choking of the dog....
just because other people do much worse to their dogs does not make his methods and treatments any less harmful than they are. Just because someone chokes their dog more or in a different way does not mean that it is then okay to choke sometimes or in different method.
and about working with what the people are use to...
sometimes people need to be educated and need a change. I've had many familys that have come to me with dogs on chokers or on pinches and left with happy compliant understanding dogs on buckle collars. I can tell you if someone came to me using a shock collar I would work with them to work out of it, not work with what I've got. I think that is a large flaw in what he practices. | | | | |
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Pugsley
I Might Be Small- But I Have It- All!
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| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 11:54am PST | | | [notify] |
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Charlie
Pet a Pit, it's- good for the- soul |
| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 12:01pm PST | | | | | | I think it's funny that everyone is pointing out how other organizations respond to the Dog Whisperer. Of course other dog trainers and facilities that offer dog training as part of a business (like the Humane Society) don't like this show! It's taking away from their bottom line!
If you like or dislike this show, fine, it's up to you. But please don't put too much stock in what other people say, remember they make their living of dog training also, and most people who sell a product will not tell you that another product is better. In fact, they will tell you it's worse nearly 100% of the time. | | | | |
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
Learning is- changing what we- do
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| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 12:07pm PST | | | | | | I agree with Koca Khola, just because some people choke their dogs does not justify Cesar advocating it.
In the past 70 years, we have learned so much about dog training. Some of the things he does are seriously outdated, some are just downright dangerous. I don’t mean to get up on a soapbox, but there are much better methods of training. I have seen him hold a dog up by the leash (in fact I saw the episode twice and commented on it to my husband) and I thought to myself “That dog is NOT becoming calm and submissive, it is dying by strangulation.”
Again, a dog that is dominated may one day, turn on its owner, and strike back. A dog that is conditioned can’t conceive of striking back. It responds, and responds positively to commands. | | | | |
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Marlowe, CGC
BAH-ROO-ROO-ROOO- OO!!! |
| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 12:15pm PST | | | | | | It's all about money and jealousy, huh?
I'm sorry, but that is incredibly insulting to people who've devoted their entire professional lives to animal welfare. How come all those other dog trainers endorse each other all the time? Offer referrals to dog trainers they think are quality? Get together at conferences and share knowledge and ideas?
American Humane, by the way, is different from the Humane Society that operates shelters . American Humane is the group that you see mentioned at the end of movie credits that certifies that "no animals were harmed in the making of this film." They do not own or operate shelters and they do not offer animal training services. They are a welfare advocacy group only, and a non-profit organization. The people they have on staff are trained and certified animal trainers and behaviorists who get paid to monitor how animals are being treated. They get paid the same wehtehr they give a thumbs-up or a thumbs-down. They are professionals.
The director of the Purdue animal behavior center is a university faculty member. He gets paid regardless, not by the number of clients the center sees. Also, a professional.
It is, perhaps, slightly possible that the things that Cesar Millan is doing on his show are seen by many trained people as actually harmful to dogs. I'm not being paid by anyone to train any dog and I can tell you that I've independently formed a negative opinion of what he does. No one paid me, I think for myself.Edited by author Tue Dec 5, '06 12:17pm PST
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