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Irresponsible Owners--what can you do??

This is a place to gain some understanding of dog behavior and to assist people in training their dogs and dealing with common behavior problems, regardless of the method(s) used. This can cover the spectrum from non-aversive to traditional methods of dog training. There are many ways to train a dog. Please avoid aggressive responses, and counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice. Please refrain from submitting posts that promote off-topic discussions. Keep in mind that you may be receiving advice from other dog owners and lovers... not professionals. If you have a major problem, always seek the advice of a trainer or behaviorist!

  
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Barked: Mon Jul 18, '05 3:30pm PST 
As long as you allow the dog to jump on you, the dog will always jump on people and other dogs. When you come home ignore the dog while you come in and put your stuff up. Do not pet or talk to the dog until it is in a submissive behavior (a sit) and calms down.

You dog could be suffering from a number of things with the aggression, even immunizations can effect a dogs behavior. You need to never praise the dog when in an excited state, as this tells the dogs its okay to be like this. Do not try and 'calm' the dog by petting him/her and saying it's 'okay' as this also states that the current behavior is acceptable.

Your pup might be going through a stage and is trying to assert dominance, on you and other dogs. Dogs should greet each other with a butt sniff first, not a face sniff, as this is 'rude' behavior, although puppies have to learn alot of these behaviors. If the pup was taken before 8-9 weeks old, the pup could have missed some informative learning stages. You will need to correct the pup as soon as it starts to do a 'stare down' with another dog it is approaching. If another dog approaches, allow the other dog to smell her/him first. If this means you pick her up and turn her around to let the other dog sniff.

This also means that you need to be calm and assertive and she needs to be calm submissive. No yelling, no harsh corrections, just to the point and at the very START of the behavior, do not let it escalate to a growl or a bark or a jump. The dogs feed off your current emotional state. If you are nervous when approaching another dog, your dog will be nervous. Be calm, make the pup watch you and do not let her smell, pee, etc. without your permission, ie: if you are out walking, she needs to stay at heel positions and only when you allow her to go pee or smell something can she smell and pee on anything. This gives you the dominant position. Dominance is not being mean, but being the leader.

A pack leader always walks in the lead.....
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Jax

I'm in!		 
 
Barked: Mon Jul 18, '05 3:57pm PST 
Brody, there's also "fear" aggression, too.

whoever put up the link for the different types of aggression that bears repeating.
I would also recommend getting in touch with Keiko's mom.
She has written some (lengthy) EXCELLENT posts on dealing with aggression in dogs.
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Logan

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Barked: Mon Jul 18, '05 10:03pm PST 
Maxwell: this woman's dog was trying to take a chunk of my flesh out. Saying that I felt "uneasy" is a bit of an understatement. I have been around dogs my whole life. I am not a wussy and I don't frighten easily. I know some dogs make a lot of noise. My akita makes noises that sounds like all hell has broken loose when he plays.

But these dogs were different. If the beagles had gotten away from their owner, I would have ended up in the ER b/c a piece of my leg would have been missing. These dogs were human aggressive and dog aggressive without provokation. They were not merely barking or making scary noises. They were lunging at me trying to BITE. I am absolutely correct in my conclusion that that behavior is NOT okay. What are you talking about looking down on people? If a dog's owner is allowing her dog to attack another person, then I am going to look down on them and sue the crap out of them if I get bitten.

Furthermore, if you look at the title of my post, it says "IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS," thus, I am obviously NOT talking about responsible owners who recognize their dog's propensity to be aggressive towards other dogs and keep it on a short leash, or are trying to train them, or keep them away from an area where there is a lot of dog traffic, etc. I am talking about a narrow class of dogs: ones that lunge/bark/ AND TRY TO BITE and about a narrow class of dog owners: those who are IRRESPONSIBLE and don't give a blank about how their dogs act and have no common sense concerning where to not take their dogs.

Please, before anyone else jumps down my throat for "looking down on dogs" please understand what I am talking about first. Look before jumping. Thank you.
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Jax

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Barked: Tue Jul 19, '05 1:12am PST 
Logan, I certainly hope that "irresponsible" owners are a "narrow class"
I see too many owners with dogs that obviously do not respect them (or the owner will allow people to handle them, that have no control, because they assume that since their dog obeys them, then they will obey any/everyone)
I see this so often, I practically want to HUG a person with a wonderfully mannered dog (I usually go out of my way to applaud them).
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Yukiko

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Barked: Tue Jul 19, '05 7:23am PST 
I used to take Yukiko to the local dog park here in San Marcos. My problem is though as you said - the people with agressive dogs and not controlling them. A large dog had gone after Yukiko for no reason, she was just standing there. Her owners only reply was, "Is that a male?" When I replied no he just said, "Hmm." I of course promptly left. Basically, my number one pet peeve with dog parks is the majority of people not controlling their dogs. They just sit and chat and aren't watching their dogs at all. Couple that with people who bring in agressive dogs and it is a recipe for disaster.
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Maxwell

Ignorance is- bliss.		 
 
Barked: Tue Jul 19, '05 4:00pm PST 
Logan - I'm sorry. I admit I read through your post rather quickly becuase of time constraints and from my quick read through it sounded as though you were blasting all dogs, not several specific ones. It just gets... frustrating... to have a dog like Max. From now on I will refrain from commenting unless I have time enough to read the original post more thoroughly.

Mabel - I understand where you are coming from on not giving the dog a treat after sitting after displaying aggressive behavior, but I wish you wouldn't say it so absolutly. Max does not understand corrections (I know that sounds odd, but it is completly true). He does not veiw them as bad unless they physically hurt him, and even then cannot connect them with what he is doing wrong. Having him do tricks for me in exchange for treats after going after a dog is the only method that has provided any help at all; at least he is learning to pay some attention to me around dogs.

Sorry once again, Logan!
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Jax

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Barked: Tue Jul 19, '05 4:47pm PST 
Maxwell, since your mom is obviously keeping a close eye on what is going on around you while you are on a walk, how about doing those "tricks" BEFORE the encounter and continue doing tricks/treating as they pass (hopefully at a distance that isn't too distracting to you--and working up closer--if your mom or dad has a friend with a dog, then they can work on it in a "controlled" setting).
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