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Is there a difference between a hybrid bred from two different purebreds and a dog bred from two of those hybrids?

I have been hearing a lot these days about dogs like the Labradoodle, the Bochi, and the Puggle, just three among many. I began to wonder, do they only breed those hybrids using a Labrador and a Poodle? Have they gone on, now, since there are so many of them, to breeding a Labradoodle and a Labradoodle?

If so, is there a difference between a dog bred from a Labrador and a Poodle, and a dog bred from a Labradoodle and a Labradoodle? Also, would you consider a dog bred from a Labradoodle and a Labradoodle to be a hybrid? Would it not be a purebred?


Asked by Member 1114744 on Jun 9th 2012 Tagged breeds, crossbreeds, mutts, hybrids, labradoodle, bochi, puggle, purebred in Cross Breeds
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Guest

The only thing I know about this is that in order for a dog to be considered purebred they have to be five generations. Also, depending on the bred mixed breeds can suffer less from certain diseases, but you have to make sure the breeding is done correctly. Some dogs should not be breed to another dog of the same breed because it can cause help problems. This is more common in cats with the Scottish Fold, you have to make sure that you don't breed two cats with folded ears because it might cause a problem in the offspring.


Member 1088045 answered on 6/9/12. Helpful? Yes/Helpful: No 0 Report this answer


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Actually, hybrid is a cross between species, not between dogs, so it is a misnomer when referring to dogs.
But, breeding f1 to f1 will yield completely different results than breeding a purebreed of one breed to another, although none of them will actually breed "pure" until MANY generations have passed.
With f1 you will get a pretty good split of half and half traits... poodle coats vs lab coats, etc. when breeding f2, you will get closer to the parents, but still will have short coats vs long coats and other traits particular to one breed showing up in different pups.
It takes years and years and years to breed enough generations to result in a litter that will uniformly resemble both parents and even then, you WILL have throwbacks to either original breed.
We board/groom many f2/f3 doodles and they are a total mixed bag...some look like terriers and don't even resemble either breed, much less one of the original breeds. Most of them, however, have the typical short, shedding coa


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Wesley

The fellow in Australia that created the 'Labradoodle' also mixed in the Welsh Terrier. His intention was to create a new breed that had the qualities he was looking for in a service dog. The main qualities being the smartness, the natural instinct to retrieve and the strong desire to please. When the Labradoodle became a fad, and 'breeders' started popping up everywhere, they weren't breeding for the same purpose as the creator, nor were they getting the same qualities. They were breeding just to breed. So I guess the simplest answer is it depends on who the breeder is as far as the resulting offspring. Whether it is a first breed between the two different breeds or a secondary or further breed between hybrids.


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Maggie

Yes. Do you remember Punnett squares from school biology classes? Look it up if you don't. F1 (pure to pure) crosses are generally quite predictable, F2 (hybrid to hybrid) can give you a large variety of types.

And I disagree with Toto somewhat. The definition of "hybrid" does not have to mean a cross between two different species, a cross between two different breeds also counts- most of our food plants and animals today are hybrids in this sense. From the dictionary:
"Hybrid: the offspring of two animals or plants of different breeds, varieties, species, or genera, especially as produced through human manipulation for specific genetic characteristics."

Some 'doodle breeders only do F1 (and F1b, where an F1 is bred back to a purebred) and some do multi-generational mixes. Some are even trying to create a "pure" breed that will stay consistent in type. The Australian Labradoodle Association of America has an FAQ that might help:
www.ilainc.com


Maggie answered on 6/10/12. Helpful? Yes/Helpful: No 0 Report this answer


Dunkin

No. They are both mixed breeds or mutts


Dunkin answered on 6/13/12. Helpful? Yes/Helpful: No 0 Report this answer